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    Debuffers in raids

    Hi,

    Who are the most sought after debuffers in raids and why?

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    • Lisa: grinding (-2dr, and either -def or -res), lucky strike (-3dr, from evil/sd dagger trigger)
    • Idge/Battlesmith Idge: melt armor (-1dr, -def)
    • Lionel/Kess with punisher: mark (-1dr, -def, +shoot dmg taken)
    • Jaina: cleaning (-def, -res)


    if you are on a squad with mostly physical dps, then other debuffers also become interesting


    • Brunie: mortal wound (-def)
    • Jane?: something something, i dont have her (-def?)


    and of course the multipurpose spinning girl who will probably be tanking as well:


    • Lada: curse of the earth (-1dr, +dmg taken)


    special mention to Emilia with her blood curse (but casting that on a boss is like, idk, playing LB)

    edit: for most of the chars listed you need their relevant rings to achieve the desired effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waluste View Post
    • Lisa: grinding (-2dr, and either -def or -res), lucky strike (-3dr, from evil/sd dagger trigger)
    • Idge/Battlesmith Idge: melt armor (-1dr, -def)
    • Lionel/Kess with punisher: mark (-1dr, -def, +shoot dmg taken)
    • Jaina: cleaning (-def, -res)


    if you are on a squad with mostly physical dps, then other debuffers also become interesting


    • Brunie: mortal wound (-def)
    • Jane?: something something, i dont have her (-def?)


    and of course the multipurpose spinning girl who will probably be tanking as well:


    • Lada: curse of the earth (-1dr, +dmg taken)


    special mention to Emilia with her blood curse (but casting that on a boss is like, idk, playing LB)

    edit: for most of the chars listed you need their relevant rings to achieve the desired effect
    I appreciate the information, it means alot.

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    Additional:

    - Amy Shausen\Cadet Amy: 2nd-4th skills (-DR, immun, def, res, atk, pene)

    Artifacts:

    - Armonia Halidom (-15 res)
    - Memento Mori Scroll (-15 def)

    Also there are debuffers who affecting on offensive abilities of bosses:

    - Claude/Battlesmith Idge: Melt Weapon (-1 AR and some atk)
    - Lora: Holy Indication (-30% atk and casting speed)
    - Rabbit Girls: Crazy Dance (-25% atk\each, so together -50% atk)
    - Eileen/Rubiana: Black Cross/Golden Circle Marks (-10% atk\each, so -20% atk)
    - Sariel/Reaper Sariel: Mediation (-50% skill atk)

    And...

    - Hector/Nina: Bloody Salute (+10% taken melee dmg)
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    Little additions :
    Aside from Evil\Strata, Tyrant, Higgins, `Light daggers also share the same trigger. That makes Tyrant ones the best for Lisa (as it have a little in-built chance for LS and the same chip option range 1-15% , which makes it possible to have a whooping 20% chance.

    Emilia, aside from Blood Curse, also have a Improved Desease debuff (aka Petrification), which is really good for MDPS-based comps. It raises DEF to crazy numbers, but also immobilize target and lower RES. Aside from that Emilia is always welcome due to her WC (and double-Emilia setups can use WC-RM-WC combos ,making it 4-5 WC per cycle. WC,aka Whole Cancellation is buff dispell and silence debuff . Exclude centrain raids like Tigres, Oscuras (where WC is forbidden).

    Aside from Emilia, stock wizard also have almost the same debuff effects (2nd WC that Emilia can give after recieving RM from other char is replaced with Eraser from Telekinesis. That one can even be casted from a distance). Can`t buff ET and ESP,tho.

    Some numbers given by Xelaine is not really right due to being multiplicative effects ( so -25%x 2 will not lower ATK by 50%, but by 1-( 0,75*0,75)=43,75%.

    Idge\BSI also have a small DEF debuff in their GS stance- Broken Armor (not Melt Armor,which is job skill).

    Anis have a -ATKSPD effect on her Bigtima skill.Still lowers the damage that tank recieve from the boss, so why not?

    Joshua\QSJ is also can be counted as debuffer, as her Gold Chain is lowering ATK. In some high-IMM+RES raids that`s almost best use of her. And she lands this debuff anyway during her casts.

    Jane debuff is -3 DEF per stack. Up to 10-12 stacks , 1 per spell cast.

    Big squads that`s having PDPS as their main DPS can also count Liung. Despite the fact that he was nerfed in that role (now he needs a good amount of PEN to land his debuff), 1 per big squad will not hurt overall DPS. His debuff is also -DEF.

    A good ,but VERY situative choice is Rascel. His Decay debuff lands additional non-attribute damage with every hit the target takes. Good if squad itself is giving low damage numbers (which is going to happen if ppl do not shift the meta from their current MDPS loving to mixed damage\Physic damage comps for raids like Orden.

    Also Viki is currently pretty good debuffer, explaination will be given below.


    As i already said, Debuffs that gives a -%ATK or similar effects (like -%ATKSPD, or so on) is multiplicative. So instead of (Debuff%1+Debuff%2...Debuff%n) the formula will be 1-(1-Debuff%1)*(1-Debuff%2)....*(1-Debuff%n).
    Despite the fact that usually Viki is picked for his silence part of Burn ( which do not let boss do anything), his another really good option is -% MaxHP effect. Same effect is the part of Blood Curse debuff, and some others (which is way more rarity to see on the boss), like Enervation.

    The thing is that such mHP debuffs,after fading away, returns boss to his current number of HP, not percentage.

    So for example , for 100m max HP boss, after -25% HP effect he`ll be back to normal with 75m HP. You can also cross the BC with Burn, for example, making it -48% max HP. The chance of such things is pretty low, but it`s still possible.
    Last edited by itsyous; 05-14-2018 at 11:56 AM.

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    Little ^^

    Emilia and her Darkness... She is WCer only. Wizard feel more better in Darkness role, coz higher chance to lend those "0,000001% to lend" debuffs.

    Broken Armor dont stack with Melt Armor and Grinding.

    Viki... More precisely 3x Vikis with Strata Pedants, Armonia Armors and SEN Sets - nice debuff team. But solo, w/o gears... better to lend -30% debuff from Lora with Crscemento. Or Rabbit Girls, coz Rabbits unkillable now.
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    Well, in old DelKreutz blog there was a good info from the game files. BC is a "pure chance" debuff ,which have only a separate chance for bosses (ofc hidden, like many other debuffs). Other then this there`s almost nothing that affects BC chance.
    Also if you`re playing Emilia anyway- why not to spam another debuff? Land BC from the very beginning of the battle is priceless. And some bosses (with low Debuff RES) is vulnurable, so why not? It can shorten the run of some Lucifer hard missions, for example. That`s what makes Emilia great- she`s universal as hell, so throwing something away kills the fun.

    Broken armor DOES stack with Melt Armor and overlapped with Grinding. So it`s safe to spam skills to land it - it`ll simply be there until Lisa is ressurected\ Debuff Dispelled, and will simply go after she land a 1st Grinding. As it`s safe to say that currently Idge\BSI is not a top-tier DPS and the damage difference between Tronada and HG doesn`t seem something important...

    Viki is still good even if it`s 1 per family. New attributes gave him a bit more PEN, so debuff will land more often. Same with Valeron pendants- 4th socket is imba for Viki. He`s not DPS anymore-yeah, but as debuffer +ET- why not? Once again- to tear 30% of boss`s HP apart, and make boss stop doing anything...
    That`s not really anything you can compare with Lora\rabbits.
    Last edited by itsyous; 05-14-2018 at 01:28 PM.

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    Remember that not all debuffs stack on one another. So you need to plan carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsyous View Post
    Broken armor DOES stack with Melt Armor and overlapped with Grinding. So it`s safe to spam skills to land it - it`ll simply be there until Lisa is ressurected\ Debuff Dispelled, and will simply go after she land a 1st Grinding. As it`s safe to say that currently Idge\BSI is not a top-tier DPS and the damage difference between Tronada and HG doesn`t seem something important...

    Viki is still good even if it`s 1 per family. New attributes gave him a bit more PEN, so debuff will land more often. Same with Valeron pendants- 4th socket is imba for Viki. He`s not DPS anymore-yeah, but as debuffer +ET- why not? Once again- to tear 30% of boss`s HP apart, and make boss stop doing anything...
    That`s not really anything you can compare with Lora\rabbits.
    BSI can use a shield so its better to keep her on High Gaurd so she can keep extra 5 dr to survive better.
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